Comments on: Dave Davenport Has Come Unstuck in Time: November 10-15, 2003 https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/ By Shaenon K. Garrity Sun, 14 Jul 2024 00:38:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Pygar https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-16414 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:58:40 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-16414 Perhaps in 2023 Shaenon will show the cast staging this Potemkin Village future… Real Older Dave is playing his deteriorated self in realtime, with makeup, etc. Obviously, Helen will keep the cast rejuvenated!
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

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By: Amy https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-16325 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:03:42 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-16325 Saturday: What I like about this scene, now that I stop to do the math, is this. I had always kind of assumed that the future Dave WAS a recording because I know Shaenon loves to steal jokes from Red Dwarf, and there’s a scene in Season 10 where Lister (with help from a supercomputer) makes recordings of himself while blackout drunk, then has a conversation with them the next day after he’d forgotten what he said. However, this strip was posted in 2003 and the tenth season of Red Dwarf aired in 2012 — so maybe this time, they were stealing from Shaenon!

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By: Joseph Abbott (faxpaladin) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9074 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:21 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9074 Also consider: At what point does President Mell Kelly send back the tape that prompts the Dave Conspiracy to hire Dr. Narbon to kill Dave? And what events in the timeline depend on that assassination attempt?

Ah, of course — Dave-A doesn’t meet Caliban nopt only because Caliban hasn’t yet been fired from underbed duty, but also because in Timeline A Dave DOESN’T DIE, since Dr. Narbon hasn’t received the contract to kill him.

… which means he doesn’t recognize Caliban when he goes back to age 6. Does that change the interaction there any?

Actually, in fact, Dave might not get unstuck in time yet. That might wait until Timeline B, created by the actions of President Kelly. Except Caliban has to have been fired already.

This is giving me a headache…

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By: Carl Fishman (carlfishman) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9073 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:20 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9073 A somewhat simpler (if less comprehensive) theory.  OldDave (who isn’t as old as I am) is a frigging GENIUS!  Just as Artie once demonstrated the ability to predict Dave’s sentances/reactions ahead of time, so OldDave uses his genius to predict Dave’s reactions. 

Apparently Dave is pretty predictable.  (At least if you’re a genius.)

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By: John Campbell (jcampbel) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9072 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:19 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9072 It’s never confirmed that he isn’t a recording, but it’s never confirmed that he is, either, and I think the not-a-recording theory fits what we do see better.

So, the way I figure it, we start with Timeline A. This may or may not be the first timeline, but what, if anything, came before it doesn’t really matter here. In Timeline A, Child Dave-A never gets Caliban-A fired from his bed-hiding job, and Teen Dave-A starts smoking. Henchman Dave-A, who smokes and never met Caliban-A in Hell, then gets unstuck in time, and goes back to possess his younger self in 1983.

This creates Timeline B, in which Henchman Dave-A in Child Dave-B’s body gets Caliban-B fired from his bed-hiding job in 1983, but does not prevent Teen Dave-B from starting to smoke in 1993. Henchman Dave-A returns to the present in Timeline B, and, in the fullness of time-B, becomes Old Dave-A, a bitter old man who smokes and has destroyed everything he loves.

Henchman Dave-B, however, is our Dave. He comes unstuck from his body in Timeline B, where he smokes and met Caliban-B in Hell, and travels back to possess his younger self in 1983, which creates another new timeline, Timeline C. Henchman Dave-B in Child Dave-C’s body gets Caliban-C fired from his bed-hiding job, then goes on to prevent Teen Dave-C from starting smoking in 1993, and finally leaps to Old Dave-B’s body in the future of Timeline B, where he has the conversation with (a recording of?) Old Dave-A that we’re seeing here.

And then he returns to Timeline C, where he got Caliban fired and never smoked, and proceeds to live out the rest of the Narbonic strips…

So this Future Dave, Old Dave-A, knows that the timeline can be changed – he did it back in 1983, when he created Timeline B, and is certainly smart enough now (2023 “now”) to have figured out what happened there. That means that he knows that the Dave he’s talking to (Henchman Dave-B) isn’t the same Dave that he was, and may not react quite the same way.

So I figure that, rather than risking his plan getting screwed up by variations in the timeline, Old Dave-A just uploaded himself into the Lovelace hardware (assuming he wasn’t already living there full-time), where he’s using the attached holoprojector to carry on a real-time conversation with Henchman Dave-B in Old Normal Clone Dave-B’s body.

And he’s lying to Dave-B about it because he doesn’t want Dave-B’s to learn yet the truth of what Old Dave really is, and, most especially, how he got that way. Remember, learning that truth is what ultimately sends Dave mad… letting him learn it this prematurely would change the subsequent Timeline C completely. Old Dave-A doesn’t want that; he wants a Timeline C that’s predictable and as similar as possible to the Timeline B that he experienced… up until the point that Dave-B makes a single small change that nudges it onto the path that they want it to follow.

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By: James Rice (jhrice) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9071 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:18 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9071 It seems to me that FutureDave has access to the Lovelace technology, and thus could easily record a hologram with some built in AI.  Enough to parse questions and supply canned responces.   And I’m 46.  46 is not that old.  Really, it isn’t.   Don’t make fun of the elderly.

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By: Shawn Poulsen (fruan) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9070 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:17 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9070 Looking through the archives, it seems that my assertion that Future!Dave isn’t actually a recording isn’t actually supported by the text.

Maybe I dreamed it? I don’t know where that came from.

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By: Dominic Corbin (lnick) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9069 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:16 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9069 As the timeline has not been yet changed Future!Dave DOES still smoke. This is evident in that Dave in Future!Dave’s body smokes. Future!Dave exists in the timeline where Dave did not fill the pool, and got hooked on smokes by Majel. Future!Dave (or whomever) is giving Dave information to change his future (and incidentally his past, which is why Dave never smokes).

Where is the implication that Future!Dave’s recording isn’t a recording? I don’t recall anything like that. That would definitely give this a different spin.

Future!Dave may know that he can change his past based on his experiences when unstuck in time, but they will be different than our Dave’s as his actions would have altered the timeline to the one we’re familiar with.

Unless he doesn’t know that, and then he didn’t. Or perhaps his madness has allowed him to see that the past can be changed.

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By: Bo Lindbergh (blgl) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9068 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:15 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9068 Future!Dave is only pretending not to have never smoked?

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By: Scott R (nekura) https://narbonic.com/comic/november-10-15-2003/#comment-9067 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:59:14 +0000 http://narbonic.com/?p=3473#comment-9067 “If you’re me, what number am I thinking of?”

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